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The regular Coach guns Stoeger makes ( in either grade) are nice looking well made guns. I just wish they made a model w/ejectors. Thinking this way tho' I've been looking over the 97 repros as well as sxs.

Speaking of "ejectorless"....... Anyone here ever disengage the ejectors on a double before?
I would think it's relatively easy? But I've never been inside one to see how it's put together?

To be honest Ape I've never handled or shot a SXS with ejectors. There are some but they are usually well out of the price range of myself and those I shoot with.

Really? Cause the only one's I've looked at lately have ejectors.
And both of those were under 300.00.

I have no experience with SxS's (obviously) other than shooting a couple when I was a kid, so I have no idea?

Could it be these guns you speak of have extractors and not ejectors? When shot and opened do the empty hulls eject energetically ( clear of breech)? Or are they merely lifted a 1/4" or so ,enough to be grasped?(extractors) I too am no SXS expert but have handled ,shot some (Stoegers mostly) and of the rather budget type guns I've handled/shot, none had ejectors, all extractor. Stoeger I'm pretty sure makes no ejector guns. Also none of the retro/repro coach guns have ejectors because ,well one of their major markets is SASS and IIRC SASS double guns must be extractor only. If you have a model in mind I'd like to know, I'd like to have a SXS that ejects. Think one of the Rem. imports is supposed to but Cindy(formerly Whittaker) of Whittaker Guns told me they didn't. This is one reason I like the cheap ol' single barrels, when you open one up the rd( fired or not) is launched clear. Makes for quicker reloads.

Interseting point KB?
The one's I shot as a kid would kick the rounds free. But the one's I've looked at in gun shops lately have the extractors popping out when the break is opened. So I assumed they're "ejectors"? But perhaps they're only extractors?

Your earlier comment about wanting a double with extractors got me thinking right along these lines. To take it a little further, what is your take on the following?:

I have only two single-shot shotguns - a .410 and a 12 gauge. These were my first two firearms and I have had both for in excess of twenty years. If broken open while still shouldered, both of them will launch an empty hull back over my shoulder and beyond. At one time, both were left sitting, empty and unfired, for years. When I decided to get them out and use them some, with only a little light oiling, both fired just as well as when they were NIB. With some minor attention with Hoppes and a fine steel wool pad, both looked like almost new, too. Having seen the Clint Smith video (I posted it somewhere on the forum) of him demonstrating how to run a single for SD/HD, I tried it out myself and was pleasantly surprised at how well it seems that would work.

Now, I have a Maverick 12 gauge pump with a 20 inch barrel and seven-round mag tube for my main HD shotgun. However, I have given some consideration to picking up a double (particularly a coach gun) or a few more single-shots as backup/emergency/stash in other locations around the house or even a sometimes truck/trunk gun. My initial gut feeling was that a double might be better but, with Kalboy's comment, I am thinking that might not necessarily be so.

In the same video mentioned, above, I believe that Clint Smith also shows how to run a double. In order to quickly 'eject' the empties, he raises the stock a bit from his shoulder and gives a quick, backward 'jerk' to the gun. This requires unshouldering the shotgun. With the single, the stock can stay in place on the shoulder as the ejector throws the empty free. The process of 'jerking' the double also adds another step/movement to reloading and requires that the muzzle be re-oriented to the target almost from scratch. Finally, it would seem a bit less clumsy under stress to grab one round and shove it into a single barrel rather than trying to load two rounds into two barrels. Maybe only a slight difference but still a difference. Granted that the initial load of two rounds in a double could be an advantage over a single shot in many situations - and given that two rounds from a shotgun just might be enough to solve most situations without the need of a quick reload - if the situation did require a sustained rate of fire of, say, four or five rounds is it not possible that the single would actually be able to accomplish this faster while being much less expensive than a double? I'm thinking of a situation where the threat might be a group of aggressive dogs, multiple human assailants or even a single, tougher critter like a bear in a camping situation (black bear in this area.) Thoughts?

My two current single-shots will not be used as 'stash' or truck/trunk guns because of their sentimental value. Also, it is sometimes hard to find good deals on singles around here with older, used singles sometimes costing nearly as much as used pumps and sometimes more that a brand-new single (I once asked the owner of my favorite LGS why even somewhat beat-up singles were so expensive at pawnshops, flea markets, etc. and he told me that many folks in this area like the older singles for bird guns and that is why their relative cost is so high around here - he said that they often aren't as popular, or as expensive, in other parts of the country.) However, at a gun show a few months ago there was one dealer selling some 'as-is' singles in various cosmetic conditions at a price of 3 for $89. If I hadn't bought the Winchester .22 semiauto rifle (from the same dealer), three of those would have come home with me with exactly such usage in mind.

Very interesting! I've seen the same(or similar) C.Smith demo. I've hunted with a single since childhood so the pros and cons are old hat. I keep a Mossy 12ga as the primary also but here is one (of several) secondary go-to guns here.

Pretty much total agreement here on all in your post Jab. Also a single allows ammo type/load to be changed easily. I bought "old ugly" here for $50 or 55 IIRC and had him shortened and rebeaded. Several coats of Oxpho Blue(he was pretty rusty) and now a good reliable backup. I've always seen extractor guns having trouble or sticking with "hi brass" or hotter loads. Not really a magnum guy on shotshells for HD , but do like the 1 1/4 oz loads @3 3/4 drams. So..... I like ejectors. Tried once and had success making a Stoeger Uplander toss out even hi brass empties by polishing the chambers,but even then some brands worked better than others. The CAS guy's doubles are well honed and polished and they shoot a pretty light load. The single certainly wouldn't be the best choice for urban combat but for HD he will wait years(decades ) and still perform flawlessly when called on. We also keep an H&R 20 ga w/ 20" barrel and buck in chamber.
The groups from old ugly really surprised me, 27 pellet load of #4 buck at 25 yds doesn't cover much more than a paper plate. Barrel being shortened has no choke I would think.

KB, is that single in your pic marked something like "CBC" or "CNC" or something like that and 'Made in Brazil"? My old single 12 gauge looks a lot like that one and those are (to the best of my memory - I'm at work, right now) the markings on it. AFAIK, it was purchased at Walmart. I got it, NIB, as a Christmas present from my parents way back in my teen years. I seem to recall something in the manual about not using Magnum loads. Like you, I don't have much desire to use Magnums under most circumstances, anyhow, but it also seems like there was something about not using 00 Buckshot. I pretty well stick with #4 Buck as the 'heaviest' thing I shoot out of it but wish I could find that manual to double-check for sure. I actually read the manual back then but you know how teenage boys are - I haven't seen the manual in years.

I believe my .410 single also came from Wally. It was also a Christmas present a few years prior to the 12 gauge - but it is a Stevens, IIRC.

Quite apart from their usefulness as backup or general use firearms, I wouldn't mind having a small collection of single shots. I really like my pumps, etc. but there is just something about the simplicity and utilitarian nature of singles that I like - plus if I can find good prices they shouldn't be terribly expensive and some might even make good 'project guns' - especially for someone (like me) who hasn't done a whole lot of tabletop gunsmithing. Heh, I have even seen 'tacticool' furniture for some single shots.

I currently have a growing interest in picking up one of Rossi's 'matched pairs' - single shot long guns that come with two different barrels. They are of different combos and varying suggested prices but the one that grabs my interest the most is the 12 ga./.22WMR combo. Possibly the 'ultimate' combo in a survival/subsistance long gun in the Southeastern U.S.? The 20 ga./.22LR combo would be no slouch in the survival/subsistance dept. either, I think. The suggested price for the 12GA/.22WMR is $178, according to the Rossi website, so the real price should be a bit less. Not too bad. They do have other, interesting combos but that is the one that has caught my eye and peaked my interest. I have other things on my 'wish list' that are ahead of that but I wouldn't be surprised if I end up with one of them before it is over with.

Yes, it is a CBC made in Brazil and imported by FIE. Have two,another w/full choke barrel in near mint(12ga) also. Fine guns, many were sold in the 80s and 90s. If you ever see the movie The Long Riders, about the James Gang and starring the Keach,Carradine, Quaid and Guest brothers ,look closely at the long gun David Carradine wields in several scenes. It may look familiar. Funny you mention the Rossi combos. I think the 22wmr/12ga combo would be nearly ideal for the area you mention. That's where I consider myself(So. Indiana) and that combo would be a hard one to beat here for sure. I have a total of 4 singles and agree with you on their versatility and utility. Hard to beat for woods roaming when seasons overlap and different kinds of game may be encountered. Just stuff pockets w/ a variety of shotshells and you can be ready for much.Regarding the admonition against mag loads now that you mention it my gun w/ full choke barrel is 2 3/4" chamber only. Not sure about ugly, but will check him too. BTW, long barrel gun is marked model 151 on bottom receiver. Good luck if you pursue your plans in this regard.

From what I can find online, your 151 may be a newer version. If I am reading correctly, the company still manufactures the 151 (although they aren't currently imported to the U.S.) It seems that Magtech is somehow affiliated with CBC, or was at one time, anyway. From what I have read, the 151s were only imported here in the first couple of years of the 1990s and might be 'post-F.I.E.' - as in after F.I.E went out of business. Apparently, there was another importer before (I think) F.I.E. started importing them called 'Kresge' or something like that. Anyhow, mine was bought new in the mid 1980s and, instead of being marked as a model 151, is marked as a model 'SB'. It is chambered for 2 3/4 or 3 inch shells. Mine isn't a full choke. IIRC, it is a 'modified', but don't quote me on that.

I've got a Stoeger double trigger SXS 16 ga. It has extractors, not ejectors. I also have an Ithaca sxs single select trigger with extractors also. The Ithaca was made by SKB and is a higher quality gun than my stoeger. The only ejectors on my double guns are on my Over/Unders. As far as a tactical model, I would rather have a pump tactical model than a 2 shooter! More available rounds down range. Guess I can't blame Stoeger for trying to think outside the box! I have been eyeing the Mossberg Mariner JIC. I'm kinda getting into the survival/tactical kick! Would be cool to add to the collection. Just don't have the $ for all my dream guns that are out there - My 2 cents

Thanks for the Stoeger info Poohflinger! I'd love to have a Stoeger and might yet. The Mariners are very cool imo , go for it and good luck with it! Yeah, $$ too few and lust too great here too.

JAB, you have a very good memory and knowledge of these humble but well made guns. The model 151 I have is marked SS. Kresge, Troy Mich. The FIE label is on "old ugly."and the model is SB. You are right about Magtech being affiliated w/CBC. Do you remember some of their 22 bolt actions? I recall close looking copies of the Remington 581 and 582, w/ perhaps slightly shorter barrels. Also do you remember the Nylon 66 clones imported back in the 80s? I'm wanting to say Armscor or Kassnar but these may have been CBC too. Had one and it was stolen , but I recall it shooting well.

Hmmm...wasn't aware they made anything but shotguns, but that's probably because the shotguns are the only things I have researched. Good to know!